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Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby samuel » 14 Feb 2020 19:36

Hi Harald, I have a little problem here. A tree fell on the power line at main street where I live (they are working now to fix). so there is no power to my modem - router and my notbook (only 15% now).

SO I thinks its right I withdraw and leave my spot for another one sorry.

still 1h to start, maybe will be fixed in time (19:30 cet).
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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 15 Feb 2020 00:41


Round 3 Server 1
Shuraz protesting SoVa under rule 16.1
As soon as there is a collision course 13 seconds into the video, Shuraz stops his turn and does his best to keep clear.
SoVa has right of way, and continues to turn to port, making it impossible for Shuraz to avoid contact.
If SoVa didn't turn port after collision course, Shuraz would have been able to keep clear.

Edit saturday morning: Even though the reasoning is technically correct, what goes against Shuraz is the fact that he would have reached port tack before SoVa reached startboard tack, giving Shuraz right of way. But then Shuraz had to give SoVa room under rule 15. It's a tight situation, so probably correct with penalty to both skippers, as both could have done better...

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 15 Feb 2020 01:01


Round 7 Server 1
euphoria protesting SoVa under rule 15 and Balder under rule 16.1.
euphoria to windward of Balder just before the finish.
euphoria keeping clear, as Balder can turn in any direction without making immediate contact.
SoVa then tacks to starboard and has to give Balder and euphoria room to keep clear under rule 15.
It is not possible for euphoria to go behind SoVa, so euphoria starts luffing.
euphoria has to wait for Balder also to luff, in order to be able to luff more.
It was not possible for Balder to go behind SoVa without making a hard turn, forcing a collision with euphoria.
By going hard down, Balder is breaking rule 16.1.
Only if Balder had luffed, we would possibly(!) have been able to be given room by SoVa (him luffing hard).
But it's a hard move, and either way one of the blue team members are either breaking rule 15 or 16.1.
But since SoVa create a situation that is almost impossible to get out of, I think it's most of all 15 to SoVa.

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby Shura » 15 Feb 2020 07:10

i was late with my videos :D

round 3 server 1


round 5 server 1 4 video
TRC2020 02 14 start Shuraz vs Ilya


TRC2020 02 14 top mark


TRC 2020 02 14 leeward mark


TRC 2020 02 14 trap
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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby Shura » 15 Feb 2020 07:20

please consider the protest

TRC 2020-02-14 round 06 srver 2 Shuraz vs Ilya R11 or R16.


I wrote "11" during a collision
Ilya answered "16"
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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 15 Feb 2020 12:37

Shura wrote:please consider the protest

TRC 2020-02-14 round 06 srver 2 Shuraz vs Ilya R11 or R16.

If this is a protest, then Ilya is breaking rule 11.
30 sec into the video, Shuraz stops luffing to give Ilya room to keep clear.
Ilya also stops luffing, staying too close to Shuraz as a small luff would cause contact.
5 seconds later Shuraz makes a very small luff, and there is contact.

What other video's are protests?

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby Shura » 15 Feb 2020 14:05

euphoria wrote:
Shura wrote:
What other video's are protests?

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make comment on these videos on youtube plz
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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 16 Feb 2020 00:30

Not much input from the other racers here, are you really ignorant to this? :-)

euphoria wrote:Round 3 Server 1

Edit saturday morning: Even though the reasoning is technically correct, what goes against Shuraz is the fact that he would have reached port tack before SoVa reached startboard tack, giving Shuraz right of way. But then Shuraz had to give SoVa room under rule 15. It's a tight situation, so probably correct with penalty to both skippers, as both could have done better...

Closing this now as a twin penalty. Most likely more of a SoVa pen, but I don't want to give my self benefit as I'm the only one posting here...

euphoria wrote:
Round 7 Server 1

I'm closing this case now, as it's exactly like TR Call D6 in the team racing call book.
SoVa broke rule 15.

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 16 Feb 2020 00:36

euphoria wrote:
Shura wrote:please consider the protest

TRC 2020-02-14 round 06 srver 2 Shuraz vs Ilya R11 or R16.

If this is a protest, then Ilya is breaking rule 11.
30 sec into the video, Shuraz stops luffing to give Ilya room to keep clear.
Ilya also stops luffing, staying too close to Shuraz as a small luff would cause contact.
5 seconds later Shuraz makes a very small luff, and there is contact.d

I would like to watch the replay file of this race.
Can you upload it Aleksandr?

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby Shura » 16 Feb 2020 09:35

euphoria wrote:I would like to watch the replay file of this race.
Can you upload it Aleksandr?

Harald


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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby euphoria » 16 Feb 2020 16:16

Thanks for the replay. I confirm penalty on Ilya.
What made me look twice was the fact that there was no immediate contact from the luff of Shuraz, which means Ilya was keeping clear by definition.
But after this luff, Ilya does nothing to increase distance between boats. In fact this gave him a headache after a while...

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Re: Team Racing Cup - sugar & candy #2

Postby Shura » 16 Feb 2020 18:06

funny screenshot

"headache" :lol:
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