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official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby samuel » 01 Apr 2020 12:05

Hi Sova protest Ily under RRS10. Race 4

replay time 12:20:20

sova hailed P: yes

its a good call due there 3 boats involved. so im not sure about situation.
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby sailgood » 01 Apr 2020 12:40

Ilya request RTT on you?
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby Ilya » 01 Apr 2020 12:48

sailgood wrote:Ilya request RTT on you?

I asked RTT, but Samuel did not answer, until the last moment I expected tack from him, in the chat he did not answer
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby sailgood » 01 Apr 2020 12:51

Ilya wrote:
sailgood wrote:Ilya request RTT on you?

I asked RTT, but Samuel did not answer, until the last moment I expected tack from him, in the chat he did not answer


How much time first you ask RTT? Have you a screen? Anyone can confirm that?
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby Ilya » 01 Apr 2020 12:53

sailgood wrote:
Ilya wrote:
sailgood wrote:Ilya request RTT on you?

I asked RTT, but Samuel did not answer, until the last moment I expected tack from him, in the chat he did not answer


How much time first you ask RTT? Have you a screen? Anyone can confirm that?

I didn’t do a screen, I think everyone who was in this race can confirm this, I think Samuel will even say that
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby euphoria » 01 Apr 2020 13:38

Sam doesn't have to tack, he just have to give you room, which he did.
But we don't have to look at this situation, as the race was lost at the top mark after PX from Ilya on Venhobel.

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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby Ilya » 01 Apr 2020 13:55

euphoria wrote:Sam doesn't have to tack, he just have to give you room, which he did.
But we don't have to look at this situation, as the race was lost at the top mark after PX from Ilya on Venhobel.

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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby sailgood » 01 Apr 2020 14:33

euphoria wrote:Sam doesn't have to tack, he just have to give you room, which he did.


I wanted to understand the racing events, I know that Samuel allowed the space when bear down, but what said samuel when Ilya ask RTT? If immediately next request of RTT he said tack, imo ilya broke rule 10, BUT, if ilya ask RTT and samuel did not reply, imo samuel broke rule 19 and 20.2c.

20.2 Responding
(c) A hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as
possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then
giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her.

euphoria wrote:But we don't have to look at this situation, as the race was lost at the top mark after PX from Ilya on Venhobel.


I evaluate how protested, I have no information about the race.
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby Ilya » 01 Apr 2020 14:49

sailgood wrote:
euphoria wrote:Sam doesn't have to tack, he just have to give you room, which he did.


I wanted to understand the racing events, I know that Samuel allowed the space when bear down, but what said samuel when Ilya ask RTT? If immediately next request of RTT he said tack, imo ilya broke rule 10, BUT, if ilya ask RTT and samuel did not reply, imo samuel broke rule 19 and 20.2c.

20.2 Responding
(c) A hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as
possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then
giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her.

euphoria wrote:But we don't have to look at this situation, as the race was lost at the top mark after PX from Ilya on Venhobel.


I evaluate how protested, I have no information about the race.

David I say again, Samuel did not write anything in that situation
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby samuel » 01 Apr 2020 15:28

Relax, Ily there is no reason to be rude. my purpose about the protest was not win the race (once venhobel PX), on the contrary, I wanna solve a doubt.

YOu hailed RRT? Yes

But shall I tack when u want to give room or may i try to give room bearing to lift my stern. thats the point.


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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby Ilya » 01 Apr 2020 15:41

samuel wrote:Relax, Ily there is no reason to be rude. my purpose about the protest was not win the race (once venhobel PX), on the contrary, I wanna solve a doubt.

YOu hailed RRT? Yes

But shall I tack when u want to give room or may i try to give room bearing to lift my stern. thats the point.


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If you have such a policy then you should have written "you can tack"

This is just a game, relax I don't worry
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby euphoria » 01 Apr 2020 16:06

Davide, my reply was to Ilya (the post before mine), not to you.

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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby samuel » 01 Apr 2020 16:09

Ilya wrote:
samuel wrote:Relax, Ily there is no reason to be rude. my purpose about the protest was not win the race (once venhobel PX), on the contrary, I wanna solve a doubt.

YOu hailed RRT? Yes

But shall I tack when u want to give room or may i try to give room bearing to lift my stern. thats the point.


sam

If you have such a policy then you should have written "you can tack"

This is just a game, relax I don't worry


Yes Ily, i see no reason to say "u can tack". if you hailed RTT and you see SOVA coming, so you must to tack. if contact then I am breaking rule.
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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby euphoria » 01 Apr 2020 16:10

sailgood wrote:20.2 Responding
(c) A hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as
possible, or by immediately replying ‘You tack’ and then
giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her.

Please note that this rule has been modified in App D for VSK, so you don't have to respond "you tack", you just have to give room.
"the hailed boat shall respond either by tacking as soon as possible, respond by writing ‘you tack’ (‘YT’), or if she is able to, wait until the hailing boat begins her tacking maneuver and then giving the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her".

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Re: official @ go hard or go home Race 4

Postby sailgood » 01 Apr 2020 16:11

Relax, Ily there is no reason to be rude. my purpose about the protest was not win the race (once venhobel PX), on the contrary, I wanna solve a doubt.
YOu hailed RRT? Yes
But shall I tack when u want to give room or may i try to give room bearing to lift my stern. thats the point.
sam[/quote]

20.2C i think is clear.
You can try to give room bearing to lift my stern but you must but you must said "tack you" so the opponent understand what to do. If not reply to RTT, the opponent wait your tack for tack and arrive late on rule 10.

This is my opinion.

samuel wrote: Davide, my reply was to Ilya (the post before mine), not to you.
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Guys my english not is wery good, i do my best to write in the best way and understand what you mean.
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