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ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 27 Apr 2020 23:09

Hi all,
I protested Sam for rule 10 violation a little bit after t=11min38. In my opinion, from the instant Jiel have finished his tack, Sam might do his best to keep clear in bearing away. But Sam did nothing and Jiel had to bear greatly to not hit him. There was no contact, Nadeo inflicted to Sam a 10 penalty which was canceled. Sam got some advantage to control Jiel after that.
What do you think ?
JL

Re-edit : the right t is t=10min38sec. I deleted the wrong video.
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby samuel » 28 Apr 2020 10:30

I started my bear to lift stern just a half second before you jiel start bear. i am sure i could to avoid you doing only doing job without your bear (help).

on this case I think: after close hauled u dont have to hesitated to pen otherwise the doubt
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby euphoria » 28 Apr 2020 11:03

I think this is green, because Jiel didn't really give Thinkhard the chance to lift his stern.
If Jiel stopped turning earlier, we would know.
If then Thinkhard went straight, and Jiel would have had to bear away, then 10.

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 28 Apr 2020 12:34

OK I withdraw my P.

It is very strange because on the water I felt like I hold my course a short time then had to bear a lot with a very small distance between Sam and me. It is not indeed what we see on the video...

Merci harald,

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby Shura » 28 Apr 2020 15:43

jiel wrote:OK I withdraw my P.

It is very strange because on the water I felt like I hold my course a short time then had to bear a lot with a very small distance between Sam and me. It is not indeed what we see on the video...

Merci harald,

JL

I reviewed your video and original replay. made a higher quality video.
Please review and compare.


I ask everyone to consider this situation.
your opinion is important.


p.s. I will write my opinion on this situation later.
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby Shura » 28 Apr 2020 15:55

I made two more videos worthy of a collection of interesting cases :wink:

TRC 2020 04 27 race 05 presart reds lose


TRC 2020 04 27 race 06 top mark
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 28 Apr 2020 15:58

Case jiel vs Sam :
Hahaha yes ! Its very much close to what I felt. TY Shura, well done ! The case is reopen in my opinion. What do you think Samuel ?

Case Shuar vs Masino :
It si not exactly the same situation because Masino could not bear away due to boats on starboard tack arriving. However, IMO, Masino was very late to react once Shura was row. He could tack earlier to keep clear and deserves a penalty for rule 10 violation.

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 28 Apr 2020 16:10

case Jiel vs LG Sam WM first video
Would be a 16.1 for Jiel but WM is a mate ... Sorry WM ...

Case Jiel vs Sova second video
No more to say than Jiel did very bad ... Sorry Sova

Please Shura stop to put me in the shame :)

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby samuel » 28 Apr 2020 17:07

Case jiel vs Sam :
What do you think Samuel ?


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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby euphoria » 28 Apr 2020 18:59

The video Aleks made is not from the same situation as the one Jean-Luc made.
Which one is the correct situation?

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 28 Apr 2020 22:12

Indeed, Sam and me crossed several times and the P concerned t=10min38sec. My video (made at t=11min50) is not the right incident... Sorry all. The video from Shura is othe right one.
I re-made the video : https://drive.google.com/file/d/19j1ZW6BGlvlvOrBqlJbiMluQHthLAdRV/view?usp=sharing
Well seen Harald..
Info : the red team with jiel won, so no need to go further about the event.
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby euphoria » 29 Apr 2020 00:42

Well, when I saw the video from Shura, I wondered if there was something wrong with my eyes or my brain when looking at your video.
But even more funny is it that you remembered the situation being different than the video you posted, but still accepted that glitch as a fact :-D.

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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby jiel » 29 Apr 2020 09:22

LOL yes it is typically a "confirmation bias" : https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AIdZMOHQ6ILeTsmXt0geb3RHngG0GIXS.
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby euphoria » 29 Apr 2020 15:22

Hehehe, nice one!
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Re: ranked @ L da Vinci race 1

Postby euphoria » 30 Apr 2020 14:56

There are still 2 protest flags on the scoreboard for this event.
The event admin (sam) has the responsibility to follow up and remove flags when either protests are solved or protests are not submitted.

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