TRC 25/04/2020

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TRC 25/04/2020

Postby sailgood » 25 Apr 2020 20:21

There are a protest in race 2 and 4. (Race 2 protest red, race 4 protest blu)

Race 2 at min.11.11 imo Shu broke rule 11 on donmasino.
Race 4 at min. 9.36 imo JL broke rule 17 on SGD. (This protest only if blu protest in race 4)
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby sailgood » 25 Apr 2020 20:22

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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby jiel » 25 Apr 2020 21:25

I withdraw P in race 2, so its a win for red
I withdraw P in race 4, so its a win for blue

Are you ok ?

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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby sailgood » 26 Apr 2020 02:00

jiel wrote:I withdraw P in race 2, so its a win for red
I withdraw P in race 4, so its a win for blue

Are you ok ?

JL


sorry i wrong, i correct:

Race 2 at min.11.11 imo Shu broke rule 11 on donmasino. RED win hence (This protest only if blu protest in race 2)
Race 4 at min. 9.36 imo JL broke rule 17 on SGD. Blu win hence i protest.
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 26 Apr 2020 08:20

sailgood wrote:Race 2 at min.11.11 imo Shu broke rule 11 on donmasino.


JieL say ROOM(look scrinshot). Im did luff.but there was a touch.
penalty for Shuraz ? or Donmasino ?



I reviewed the replay of the first race, the last leg.
I was wrong at the obstacle (I made a mistake in estimating the distance)
sorry Davide. :oops:
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 26 Apr 2020 08:28

sailgood wrote:Race 4 at min. 9.36 imo JL broke rule 17 on SGD. (This protest only if blu protest in race 4)

I did not make a video. it would be better if Hrarald sees the original replay.
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby sailgood » 26 Apr 2020 12:08

[/quote]
I reviewed the replay of the first race, the last leg.
I was wrong at the obstacle (I made a mistake in estimating the distance)
sorry Davide. :oops: [/quote]

IMO 19 is ok, because i luff when you are overlap with obstacle and can't tack.
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby jiel » 26 Apr 2020 12:14

My opinion :

Race 2 : the video shows up Shura tried to keep clear from Masino in luffing then tacking smoothly but Masino who was also luffing smoothly didnt give room for this move. IMO its a 16.1 for Masino.

Race 4 :
* I admit Jiel broke rule 17 on SG (cancelling the pen 10 to Shura distracted me : sorry).
* I later protested SG for breaking rule 17 in the last leg but unfortunatly the replay cannot show clearly that. However when I was TWA 24 to keep clear from SG and protested, SG answered me that he was at 28°. In my opinion it is above his proper course which would be at least 29° and even 30° in these winds.

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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby euphoria » 26 Apr 2020 14:26

Shura wrote:JieL say ROOM(look scrinshot). Im did luff.but there was a touch.
penalty for Shuraz ? or Donmasino ?


Here Shuraz is breaking rule 19. Has to luff parallell with coast at least, when overlap is established.

Anything else that has to be checked?

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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby sailgood » 26 Apr 2020 14:50

jiel wrote:* I later protested SG for breaking rule 17 in the last leg but unfortunatly the replay cannot show clearly that. However when I was TWA 24 to keep clear from SG and protested, SG answered me that he was at 28°. In my opinion it is above his proper course which would be at least 29° and even 30° in these winds.


Not is important your TWA, but, my TWA and with 18kts i think 28 of twa is good in this situation.

Harald just for info, your opinion me vs shu 19 or 11? i think is 19 for me because i luff when shu overlap with obstacle, what do you think?

please change result race 4, i cancel P flag.
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 27 Apr 2020 07:23

in the first picture I can go between the boat and Davide
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 27 Apr 2020 07:24

on the second no. but i can avoid a collision
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 27 Apr 2020 07:24

on the third contact
19 for me
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby jiel » 27 Apr 2020 09:24

Sorry Shura, maybe I dont understand but rule 19 does not apply for a mark :
Rule 19 applies between two boats at an obstruction except (a) when the obstruction is a mark the boats are required to leave on the same side, or
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Re: TRC 25/04/2020

Postby Shura » 27 Apr 2020 10:05

jiel wrote:Sorry Shura, maybe I dont understand but rule 19 does not apply for a mark :
Rule 19 applies between two boats at an obstruction except (a) when the obstruction is a mark the boats are required to leave on the same side, or

this is not a start. this is the last leg of the distance.
motor boat as an obstruction.
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